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Post by davebutterflyman on Aug 21, 2018 8:13:01 GMT
They are a bit tricky but once you get used to them they can be a great resource
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jen
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Post by jen on Aug 21, 2018 9:49:35 GMT
Dave
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Post by AnnB on Aug 21, 2018 17:14:29 GMT
Is this Hare's foot Inkcap please, Dave?
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Post by AnnB on Aug 22, 2018 7:11:19 GMT
I don't know what it was, Jen. I'd tried to brush it off but it wouldn't budge.
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Post by davebutterflyman on Aug 22, 2018 9:57:10 GMT
It is indeed, Ann.
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Post by AnnB on Aug 22, 2018 15:17:48 GMT
Great, thank you Dave.
Perhaps the fungus was holding onto it as a defence against being munched by an animal?
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Post by davebutterflyman on Aug 23, 2018 10:24:19 GMT
I wonder what it actually was that was holding on?
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Post by geoff on Aug 23, 2018 18:38:01 GMT
Not sure about this one. I have guessed my way to Russula but that isn't certain. However if correct I was wondering about Russula atropurpurea. Poor condition and a couple of others nearby were even worse. Not far away was another fungus which was more purple but clearly older and the undersides looked the same. Close to mature larch but other broad leaved trees growing there as well. About 3 ins across.
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Post by davebutterflyman on Aug 24, 2018 6:50:31 GMT
Agreed on a Russula Geoff but now it starts to get very tricky to id. As with much of this group, certain ones require certain tests in the field and this one is no exception. Because there are a number of very similar types which crossover in habitat, cap colour etc it is hard to go by gills, stem and cap colour alone. However, Russula atropurpurea has a quite distintive smell of apples and this is one way to tell this one apart, similarly, Russula xerampelina has a distinctive odour of fish.
There are peel tests that can be done in the field, the amount of flesh peeled off the cap and the way it breaks off is one way, but i'm not entirely sure how accurate this is. Spore prints and microscopy are usually the way forward with this group. Sometimes a crumble test can be performed with similar looking species for example, Russula fragilis is similar to Russula atropurpurea but the flesh under the cuticle crumbles a lot easier on fragilis than on that of atropurpurea.
That's about all i can help with Geoff with my limited knowledge and i can rarely id a Russula type from a photo alone but i can identify them easier when i am in the field.
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Post by geoff on Aug 24, 2018 18:29:41 GMT
It smelt of fungi, Dave, that is something I did test. Nothing obviously distinctive.
The spore colours mostly seem similar so I suppose it would be a microscopic spore examination to get anywhere. Which means another one of those sp jobs.
Thanks for the help.
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Post by davebutterflyman on Aug 25, 2018 8:38:17 GMT
No worries Geoff.
I love this genus out in the field because many are easy to identify, once you know what to look for, but from a photo alone they are a nightmare.
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Post by geoff on Aug 25, 2018 18:11:09 GMT
Found some more fungi which look as though they are going to be tricky. All brown, so I am initially thinking Inocybe or possibly Cortinarius but I am attempting a spore print so I will wait until that possibly gives more information.
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Post by davebutterflyman on Aug 26, 2018 8:19:24 GMT
Another two very tricky groups but we'll see what your spore print comes back as Geoff.
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Post by geoff on Aug 26, 2018 15:19:28 GMT
Well here it is, Dave, but I suspect, without microscopic examination of the spores, this is going to be another sp job. However, at least getting definitely to the family will be something. Largest one was about 50 mm and the same in height. Spore colour, mid brown, similar to gill colour. Dampish ground with various broad-leaved trees nearby.
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Post by davebutterflyman on Aug 26, 2018 15:30:48 GMT
My initial guess would be Cortinarius,in Subgenus Telamonia. Very difficult to id even under microscopic examination as different authors have conflicting species concepts, eventually i would guess that determination would be by upheld by DNA analysis.
It could still be added to the fungi challenge as Cortinarius (Subgenus) Telamonia.
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Post by geoff on Aug 26, 2018 15:34:35 GMT
Thanks. I thought it was going to be a tricky one.
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Post by davebutterflyman on Aug 27, 2018 7:31:23 GMT
Yes, really tricky group, most of the 'brown cortinarius' remain as unidentified.
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Post by jen on Aug 27, 2018 9:54:04 GMT
looking forward to there being more around , Dave , i always associate most with Autumn
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